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		<title>By: leannich</title>
		<link>http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/11/dispatches-from-the-gender-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-2245</link>
		<dc:creator>leannich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 22:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jani: Don&#039;t even get me STARTED on children&#039;s books. Really. Don&#039;t even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jani: Don&#8217;t even get me STARTED on children&#8217;s books. Really. Don&#8217;t even.</p>
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		<title>By: Ema Swantko</title>
		<link>http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/11/dispatches-from-the-gender-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator>Ema Swantko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy the post. Maybe men&#039;s punk pants source may guide someone there.</description>
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		<title>By: Jani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in a large public library in Canada, there are girly books and boy&#039;s books, many linked to disney movies and/or TV shows.

Love your blog, came across it reading a review of women&#039;s work by Barber, but i can&#039;t find your review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in a large public library in Canada, there are girly books and boy&#8217;s books, many linked to disney movies and/or TV shows.</p>
<p>Love your blog, came across it reading a review of women&#8217;s work by Barber, but i can&#8217;t find your review.</p>
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		<title>By: leannich</title>
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		<dc:creator>leannich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Deirdre: I know - isn&#039;t it striking how people want to stuff babies into gender boxes even before they&#039;re born? Also, girls&#039; clothes are impractical; boys&#039; generally aren&#039;t. And how twisted is it to (a) push the message that &lt;em&gt;showing your underwear is intensely shameful&lt;/em&gt;, and (b) routinely dress half the child population in skirts and dresses! Argh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Deirdre: I know &#8211; isn&#8217;t it striking how people want to stuff babies into gender boxes even before they&#8217;re born? Also, girls&#8217; clothes are impractical; boys&#8217; generally aren&#8217;t. And how twisted is it to (a) push the message that <em>showing your underwear is intensely shameful</em>, and (b) routinely dress half the child population in skirts and dresses! Argh.</p>
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		<title>By: Deirdre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only reading this now!  I am much more conscious of this now since having my own O; I am dreading the thought of getting piles of pink or piles of blue once the baby arrives and reveals its all-important gender to the dozens - or hundreds - of people who have asked whether I know &#039;what I&#039;m having&#039;.   Thank God for the minority who give books - having a family&#039;s worth of hand-me-downs from my sister, we really don&#039;t need clothes, and I feel slightly guilty that there are several dresses that we received as presents and that O never wore as I regarded them as slightly uncomfortable/totally impractical/not conducive to the way she plays - or moves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only reading this now!  I am much more conscious of this now since having my own O; I am dreading the thought of getting piles of pink or piles of blue once the baby arrives and reveals its all-important gender to the dozens &#8211; or hundreds &#8211; of people who have asked whether I know &#8216;what I&#8217;m having&#8217;.   Thank God for the minority who give books &#8211; having a family&#8217;s worth of hand-me-downs from my sister, we really don&#8217;t need clothes, and I feel slightly guilty that there are several dresses that we received as presents and that O never wore as I regarded them as slightly uncomfortable/totally impractical/not conducive to the way she plays &#8211; or moves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: leannich</title>
		<link>http://www.string-revolution.com/2009/11/dispatches-from-the-gender-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>leannich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lupin: Hey, name twin! (OK, nearly.) That&#039;s so cool. I bet we&#039;ll run into each other before too long - Dublin&#039;s like that.

@Lydia: The ghettoisation &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; terrifying, isn&#039;t it? What really sticks in my craw is the way advertisers can say, with total accuracy, that this is what kids &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; - as if those desires hadn&#039;t been carefully manipulated from before they were born.

@Lucy: Yay, a subscriber! I&#039;m really interested to hear about your step-sister, because of course the notional girl imagined by the product designers presumably doesn&#039;t exist - everyone chooses some aspects of what they&#039;re offered and rejects others. But the stereotypes are still harmful, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lupin: Hey, name twin! (OK, nearly.) That&#8217;s so cool. I bet we&#8217;ll run into each other before too long &#8211; Dublin&#8217;s like that.</p>
<p>@Lydia: The ghettoisation <em>is</em> terrifying, isn&#8217;t it? What really sticks in my craw is the way advertisers can say, with total accuracy, that this is what kids <em>want</em> &#8211; as if those desires hadn&#8217;t been carefully manipulated from before they were born.</p>
<p>@Lucy: Yay, a subscriber! I&#8217;m really interested to hear about your step-sister, because of course the notional girl imagined by the product designers presumably doesn&#8217;t exist &#8211; everyone chooses some aspects of what they&#8217;re offered and rejects others. But the stereotypes are still harmful, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this post is great, and have finally got round to subscribing to your blog via Google Reader. 

It&#039;s particularly interesting to me because I&#039;ve watched this stuff in action while being a helper with Brownies (seeing the variety of things the girls wore when not in uniform, some totally unsuitably sparkly or frilly) and because I have an 11-year-old step-sister (I&#039;ve known her since she was 8) who&#039;s into some stereotypically girly things and not others. It&#039;s good to be reminded to think carefully about these things and to consider what messages I reinforce to the children and young people I&#039;m in contact with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post is great, and have finally got round to subscribing to your blog via Google Reader. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s particularly interesting to me because I&#8217;ve watched this stuff in action while being a helper with Brownies (seeing the variety of things the girls wore when not in uniform, some totally unsuitably sparkly or frilly) and because I have an 11-year-old step-sister (I&#8217;ve known her since she was <img src='http://www.string-revolution.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> who&#8217;s into some stereotypically girly things and not others. It&#8217;s good to be reminded to think carefully about these things and to consider what messages I reinforce to the children and young people I&#8217;m in contact with.</p>
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		<title>By: Lydia, Clueless Crafter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lydia, Clueless Crafter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great discussion on a topic that is near and dear to my heart.  I am the product of role reversal, where my mother worked outside the home and my father raised my and my 2 sisters.  Color coding, making each child aware that there is an &quot;other&quot; trains our kids early on to discriminate, to see each other as opposites.  

In a way it&#039;s almost a forced ghettoization.  We are branded from a very young age, a time before we are able to fight back.  Terrifying.

Like you, I think craft leads to greater topics.  I spend a lot of time writing about the broader implications of craft in our everyday lives. It&#039;s a meaty topic, so I hope you continue on with posts like these.  Will you?  Let me know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great discussion on a topic that is near and dear to my heart.  I am the product of role reversal, where my mother worked outside the home and my father raised my and my 2 sisters.  Color coding, making each child aware that there is an &#8220;other&#8221; trains our kids early on to discriminate, to see each other as opposites.  </p>
<p>In a way it&#8217;s almost a forced ghettoization.  We are branded from a very young age, a time before we are able to fight back.  Terrifying.</p>
<p>Like you, I think craft leads to greater topics.  I spend a lot of time writing about the broader implications of craft in our everyday lives. It&#8217;s a meaty topic, so I hope you continue on with posts like these.  Will you?  Let me know!</p>
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		<title>By: Lupin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lupin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Léan- I forgot to mention that what drew me to look at your website was your Irish name!I livein Dublin too - and my name is Leanne.

It&#039;s good to know that there are some people who think for themselves on this little island welive on. Thanks - I will have a look at Aibhe&#039;site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Léan- I forgot to mention that what drew me to look at your website was your Irish name!I livein Dublin too &#8211; and my name is Leanne.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to know that there are some people who think for themselves on this little island welive on. Thanks &#8211; I will have a look at Aibhe&#8217;site.</p>
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		<title>By: leannich</title>
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		<dc:creator>leannich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fifi: Yeah, it&#039;s hard - and I kind of resent having to move so far from the &quot;mainstream&quot; kid shops before I find anything even vaguely OK. Thanks for the hairybaby.com recommendation, by the way! They have some cute stuff. (I&#039;m dithering between being pleased that their Christmas collections for boys and girls are apparently identical, and being annoyed that they STILL feel the need to put them behind gender-segregated links.)

@Ailbhe: Oho, yes. Anything I&#039;ve got O and F from the Girl section has tended to be flimsier and less generously cut than their Boy clothes. Every little helps, of course - as we hang and fold our little girls&#039; skimpy, delicate garb we get to reflect on how &lt;i&gt;frail&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;precious&lt;/i&gt; they are.

@Lupin: Thanks for stopping by! Yes, I worry about the sexist messages that are thrown at my boys, but I can barely imagine what a shrieking harpy I&#039;d be if I had girls. My boys will grow up to be beneficiaries of the patriarchy, and as long as I can teach them to be aware of that, and not to be entitled arses (often), I&#039;ll probably feel relatively OK. Which doesn&#039;t help you, of course! I thoroughly recommend reading Ailbhe&#039;s blog (linked above), by the way: she has two girls, and is very wise.

@Caro: Yeah, I got the wholesale rejection of Girliness too. I think it was a byproduct of 70s feminism. It&#039;s harder to make a case for valuing the unvalued than it is for allowing greater access to the loci of power, innit.

@Amber: I have the dilemma of how to react to my sons&#039; desires too, but in the other direction - the Oyster is big into swords and bows and arrows. I have a strong reaction against weapons of any kind, but I feel that if I banned them, they&#039;d gain cachet and mystique. Plus, I remember enjoying playing with a bow and arrow when I was a kid. So I talk myself around. (Guns are another question. I don&#039;t know the answer to that one; fortunately, it hasn&#039;t arisen yet.) It helps that he loves pink and purple, and has been thoroughly brainwashed by my rants about the designers of children&#039;s clothes :-)

@Andrew: Oh, the infantilisation of women is a WHOLE other cauldron of rageousness! It&#039;s all about boxing in - as Kate says above. If you start young enough (and they DO), the chances of people challenging their conditioning are lessened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fifi: Yeah, it&#8217;s hard &#8211; and I kind of resent having to move so far from the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; kid shops before I find anything even vaguely OK. Thanks for the hairybaby.com recommendation, by the way! They have some cute stuff. (I&#8217;m dithering between being pleased that their Christmas collections for boys and girls are apparently identical, and being annoyed that they STILL feel the need to put them behind gender-segregated links.)</p>
<p>@Ailbhe: Oho, yes. Anything I&#8217;ve got O and F from the Girl section has tended to be flimsier and less generously cut than their Boy clothes. Every little helps, of course &#8211; as we hang and fold our little girls&#8217; skimpy, delicate garb we get to reflect on how <i>frail</i> and <i>precious</i> they are.</p>
<p>@Lupin: Thanks for stopping by! Yes, I worry about the sexist messages that are thrown at my boys, but I can barely imagine what a shrieking harpy I&#8217;d be if I had girls. My boys will grow up to be beneficiaries of the patriarchy, and as long as I can teach them to be aware of that, and not to be entitled arses (often), I&#8217;ll probably feel relatively OK. Which doesn&#8217;t help you, of course! I thoroughly recommend reading Ailbhe&#8217;s blog (linked above), by the way: she has two girls, and is very wise.</p>
<p>@Caro: Yeah, I got the wholesale rejection of Girliness too. I think it was a byproduct of 70s feminism. It&#8217;s harder to make a case for valuing the unvalued than it is for allowing greater access to the loci of power, innit.</p>
<p>@Amber: I have the dilemma of how to react to my sons&#8217; desires too, but in the other direction &#8211; the Oyster is big into swords and bows and arrows. I have a strong reaction against weapons of any kind, but I feel that if I banned them, they&#8217;d gain cachet and mystique. Plus, I remember enjoying playing with a bow and arrow when I was a kid. So I talk myself around. (Guns are another question. I don&#8217;t know the answer to that one; fortunately, it hasn&#8217;t arisen yet.) It helps that he loves pink and purple, and has been thoroughly brainwashed by my rants about the designers of children&#8217;s clothes <img src='http://www.string-revolution.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Andrew: Oh, the infantilisation of women is a WHOLE other cauldron of rageousness! It&#8217;s all about boxing in &#8211; as Kate says above. If you start young enough (and they DO), the chances of people challenging their conditioning are lessened.</p>
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